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Melinda V King's avatar

Hey, thank you so much I really enjoyed reading this and also seeing this collaboration of writing. I do think we are here having a human experience, also a means of the universe

experiencing itself, before we return to that wholeness and pure awareness. I like how this life is described as a classroom and the life review as not something to fear. This feels gentle. I'm studying the Tibetan Book of the Dead but at times I've noticed a striving towards enlightenment and breaking the pattern of suffering in birth and rebirth, good to have another perspective

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Melinda, thank you so much for reading. 💛

It’s funny you mentioned the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I actually tried to read it many years ago, but I don’t think I was ready for it at the time. I’m really glad you brought it up, though, because it feels like something I’d understand in a very different way now and may circle back to.

What you said about breaking the pattern of suffering really stood out to me. I recently did a between-lives regression, and one of the things that came through very clearly was that this life for me is about breaking patterns I’ve carried across many lifetimes. So that part of your comment really hit home.

I’ve written a bit about that experience (and some of the other things we’re touching on here), in my paid section. If you’d ever be interested in reading more, I’d be happy to comp you a 6-month subscription, just let me know. 😊

Thank you again for such a thoughtful comment.

Melinda V King's avatar

Thank you for your reply and for the piece! With the book I'm lucky that I'm part of a course so have classmates and my teacher to help understand and reflect. The book talks about deities a lot so key to my understanding has been not as external beings but that they are within me, that has helped a lot. That's fascinating about between lives recession I hadn't even heard of that. And thank you so much that's so kind, I'm travelling currently and only just keeping up on here so I'll come back to you 🙏

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Yes, I can imagine that having a class to share thoughts and discuss would make it so much easier and deeper. You are travelling! How exciting. I love to travel. Where are you currently? I had not heard of between-life regressions either until I stumbled on Robert Schwartz's books, starting with Your Soul's Plan. I was lucky to do the regression with him leading. It was really profound.

Melinda V King's avatar

I'm in Thailand, I'm in Chiang Rai in the North at the moment. There are a lot of Buddhist temples in the neighbourhood and its helping the teachings to feel more ever present to me. Have you been to Thailand? Oh thanks, I hadn't heard of the book. That's great you got to do the regression with him.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I love Thailand! Yes, I was there a couple years ago. I visited Chiang Rai as well. We've been talking about going back. How long have you been there? How long will you stay? Yes, I was thrilled to do the regression with him. He also endorsed my meditation book which just delighted me to no end! 😊

Melinda V King's avatar

I've been here a couple of months and probably one more, but tbh it is a bit of a trial to see if I want to live here/do the nomad life, which I think I do. I taught English here for a year when I was younger and have been quite a few times since. Ah that's so cool, can you share details of your book? I'm also a yoga nidra and mindfulness meditation teacher. I'm trying to write on here about mindfulness without the need for striving or perfection :) That's cool to know youvr been here on Chiang Rai too

Wisdom Library's avatar

I’m really glad it felt gentle to you - that was important to me while writing it.

I relate to what you said about the “classroom” idea and also the part about striving. I’ve felt that tension too - between wanting to understand things more deeply, and noticing how easy it is for that to turn into pressure or feeling like there’s somewhere you should be getting to.

What helped me a bit was stepping back from that sense of urgency and seeing it less as something to achieve, and more as something to experience while I’m here. Not ignoring growth, but not turning it into another standard to meet either.

And I like how you described it as the universe experiencing itself. There’s something about that perspective that softens things a little, especially when the questions get heavy.

Curious how you’re finding the Tibetan Book of the Dead overall - it’s not exactly a light read, but there’s a lot in there that stays with you.

Melinda V King's avatar

Yes that stepping back is definitely helpful and I also like the thing about universe experiencing itself, when you think of it like that there's nothing else to "do". I'm lucky as I'm part of a group course for tibetan book of the dead so have the support of the teacher and reflecting as a group, we are taking it more broadly, reflecting on death and what it means about living. I agree the books heavy going and full of a lot of ritual but then there are key lines that strike me and I'm curious to keep going. You've read it?

Wisdom Library's avatar

No I didn’t… can you share the full book’s name and author? I will look into it

Melinda V King's avatar

Yes there are a few different translations, if you look up The Tibetan Book Of The Dead you'll find it!

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

Did I forget to say thanks for this article? I believe that between the two authors, you have given a very complete picture of my own life between 2 worlds experiences minus the religion parts.

We are more than human and more than souls. Soul is the thread that stitches our two sister parallel worlds together. How could we find our way back and forth between them without our tethers? And how would we remember what we need to remember of our origin world without the visceral link of soul opening the 2 way conversations when we need to remember what we’ve always known, when we ask for answers not from here?

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

Would you be interested in an unscripted Live Conversation? See where it takes us with on broad topic?

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Oh wow! What a fun idea. I am a little shy so might be nervous at first, but yeah, I think I could be down for that. 😊

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Sue, this is really beautifully put. Thank you for reading and sharing. 💛

I love the way you described the soul as the thread between worlds. That’s actually very close to how I’ve come to understand it, too, that we don’t just start and stop here, and that connection doesn’t disappear when someone leaves the physical.

That “remembering” you’re talking about… I know exactly what you mean. For me, it tends to come in quiet moments, through meditation, dreams, or just a sudden knowing that doesn’t feel like it came from my thinking mind. More like something gently surfacing than something I figured out.

And yes to the two-way connection. That’s been my experience too. That it’s not just us reaching out. It can feel like picking up a conversation that was never really gone.

I don’t experience it visually, but more through feeling, knowing, and signs, and it carries that same sense of familiarity you’re describing.

Really appreciate you adding this to the conversation, it means a lot. 💕

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

I wonder if there may be a lot more to talk about? Perhaps a conversation might be in the stars ⭐️ ⭐️ 🌟? Our conflicted Earth bound people need many voices of many messengers.

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

lol 😆 me too. And I do!!! 🥳❤️💃

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I couldn't agree more! And I could talk on this subject all day long. 😊

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

So… what if we actually did have this conversation unscripted as a Live? See where it goes?

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thank you for taking your time to read it ❤️

What you wrote about the “thread” really stood out to me. That sense of something connecting different layers of experience… I’ve felt that at times too, even if I wouldn’t always describe it the same way. It’s more like moments where something feels familiar without a clear reason, or like you’re remembering rather than learning.

I like how you framed it as something that allows movement both ways, not just something distant or abstract. It makes it feel more lived-in, less theoretical.

At the same time, I tend to stay a bit grounded in how I hold these ideas - more as something to reflect on than something I need to fully define. But I can see how what you’re describing fits into that wider picture in its own way.

It’s interesting hearing how it connects to your own experience.

QueerGraceJournal's avatar

Yes! We are, at the heart of it, spirit beings having the human experience and it is profound and it is heart breaking and it is healing and it is beautiful; thanks for sharing— ruth

Wisdom Library's avatar

That’s really what I was trying to sit with while writing this. It’s not a clean or comforting idea all the time. Sometimes it opens something up, other times it just makes you feel the weight of it more.

But there is something about seeing it through that lens - even briefly - that changes how certain moments land. A bit more meaning, maybe a bit more softness around things we can’t fully explain.

Thank you for putting it that way, it captures a lot in a few words.

QueerGraceJournal's avatar

I think it would be fascinating to sit down with you for 2-3 hours and pick your brain about the things you’ve seen! Thanks for taking the time to drop and note and for sharing

Life, Conflict & Chocolate's avatar

Thank you both for sharing so many beautiful and inspiring thoughts and words. I resonate with all that is written.

If I may share, I am guided by my belief in reincarnation, the power of energy, and my Faith (a blend of several). I use the expression 'crossing over' or 'transformation' when the time comes for a soul to embark on a new path. Throughout my life I've learned so much from the various cultures I've lived in, on how 'transitions' are experienced. For me, being able to share memories of my loved ones, is how they are always with me. My beloved Father guides my life daily, that is a blessing.

The power of what you both shared is that once we, individually, can come to that place of 'knowing' that there's never an ending, only a transition, "a life lived with Love,honor and grace" my Father would say, the event is

celebrated! In that sense, yes, I'm very Italian! 🦋⚘️

Thank you so much for this amazing and needed topic of discussion!

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I love this so much. I feel very much the same. I fully believe in reincarnation, and I tend to think of it as “crossing over” or even just going home. Over time, I’ve also learned how to connect with loved ones and guides, and I feel their presence pretty regularly now. It really does become that quiet, "knowing" you mentioned.

And yes, exactly what Alexandra said, I believe we’re here to experience, to learn, to grow, and expand through all of it.

Also… fellow Italian here too! 😊

Life, Conflict & Chocolate's avatar

My beloved father was a humanitarian and social activist his whole life. I learned everything from him and in my work today I often ask for his guidance. Yes, we communicate daily, and it's comforting for me to know he's there. His wisdom and empathy! Our ancestors are with us if we call them. Sometimes, we're on our own, but the seeds they planted are in us.

Someday I'll share more about my family, on both sides powerful defenders of human rights and democracy. So for me social activism is genetic!🦋⚘️

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I’m really looking forward to hearing more of your family’s stories. And yes, our ancestors are absolutely with us when we call on them. I actually just wrote recently about receiving signs from loved ones. 💕

Life, Conflict & Chocolate's avatar

Hi Andrea, sorry for my late reply. Some days are better than others in my recovery process.

Especially now, I think about the decisions and work my family members did. And realize that when we are called upon to act, we do! We don't analyze, our gut reaction takes over, and we do what is innate in us. I think of us as women, mother's, grannies, daughters, sisters, how many times we're called to DO.

Just this morning, I've been communicating with my fellow Sisters in Virginia, suddenly realizing that there's a momentum happening here since yesterday's news.

OUR VOICES WILL NOT BE SILENCED. Our VOTES will not be denied!

So yes.... our Antcestors are right here with us! Giving us the the LIGHT and FEARLESSNESS WE NEED!

⚘️🦋💙🌞

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

No apology needed at all. 💜 And honestly, I feel this deeply. There really are moments where something bigger seems to move through us, and suddenly we just know it’s time to speak, act, protect, or stand up.

My foster parents were both huge activists as well, and even now, they still share stories with me about marches, organizing, human rights work, and moments where people had to find courage together. Hearing those stories has shaped me more than I probably realized growing up.

And yes… I truly believe our ancestors are right here with us. Not controlling us, but guiding, strengthening, encouraging, reminding us who we are when fear tries to make us forget.

Sending love and strength to you and your Sisters. ❤️

Life, Conflict & Chocolate's avatar

Thank you Andrea for your words and Light filled wishes.

I'll share that today was a very powerful and HOPE guided day.

I received confirmation that my surgery and chosen treatment of chemo and radiation first have offered me a 99.99% cancer free path. I'm grateful to my body, science, ancestors, loving family and CREATOR for standing with me. I know my path is now filled Light, Health and moving forward with the work and passion I'm here to complete.

As we have talked about, knowing that each one of us has special assignments at different times of our lives, is what transforms the challenges into opportunities, spreading Positive Energy, is a wonderful blessing!

Have a beautiful weekend, and thank you for letting me share my thoughts!🦋✨️💕

Wisdom Library's avatar

I believe in reincarnation too… I believe our souls experience various lives for gaining various lessons and experiences… 100% sure of that :)

Life, Conflict & Chocolate's avatar

I have 2 precious grandbabies, one of them has the ‘knowing’ we spoke about. It truly is so beautiful to share thoughts, every time I learn so much! 🦋

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

My youngest adult son does also, and my youngest adopted (grandson) is starting to remember. My 3-year-old grandson talks to his grandfather from time to time (my deceased husband). 😊

It's A Good Life Review's avatar

As a hospice chaplain, I hold many of these same beliefs! Wonderful piece ladies! Thank you for bringing your wisdom and light to the world!

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thank you so much for your kind words. 🙏

It's A Good Life Review's avatar

No need to thank me! My pleasure!

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you so much 🤍 That means a lot, especially coming from someone who walks so closely with people in those moments.

Arek's avatar

I think our death is just the beginning of our real life.

Arek's avatar

I’m happy to see here more spiritual and religious people. 🙏

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

It is nice, isn’t it?

Arek's avatar

Thank you🙏 I’m happy it resonates with you. I assume you lived or still live in Utah as there is a big Mormon community. I respect that you’re an atheist. I’m catholic myself. People follow too much religion priests and doctrines instead of focus on God itself. Father Pio was a real evidence of existence of God. I have always carry his picture in my wallet. Don’t be afraid of death. The Universe is too big and there is no chance there is nothing more like only atoms. One day we’ll meet God. We’ll feel pure love. No doubts, no worries.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

No, I grew up (and still live) in Washington State, but my grandmother did take me to Utah when we would go visit family in San Francisco. I am not an atheist now. I was for a while during my 20s and part of my 30s. I am a spiritualist now.

Arek's avatar

That’s great🙏

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I resonate with this conversation a lot. My perspective has shifted quite a bit over the years. I grew up Mormon and was actually quite afraid of death when I was younger because I was told that since I didn’t fully believe, the best I could hope for was the lowest level of heaven… and possibly worse.

Later, when I became an atheist, the idea that we simply ceased to exist oddly felt more comforting than that version of eternity.

These days, my view has changed again. I no longer really fear death itself. If anything, I’ve come to feel that this life, this incarnation, is the temporary part, and that when we die, we simply return home to whatever our deeper nature is beyond the body.

The only part of death that still feels difficult to me is losing the people we love. Even if I believe our souls continue and we may meet again, it’s still painful to lose this version of them, their personality, their voice, their presence in this life.

Beautiful reflections here. It’s fascinating how our understanding of death evolves as we move through life. 🙏

Wisdom Library's avatar

Nice thought… a different perspective and a new way for me to look at it.

Arek's avatar

Regardless of our spiritual and religious beliefs, we are afraid of death as we are afraid of this complete uncertainty. I’m Catholic myself, and one day I’ll find out whether I’m wrong or right. Hopefully.🙏

Wisdom Library's avatar

I think much of our fear comes from the possibility of losing someone and from the uncertainty of the unknown. We don’t know where we are going, where they are going, or what comes next. We are afraid that death is the end of us and the end of what we shared with that person we love. I believe this is the root of our fear. Once we begin to understand that death may simply be a transition and not an end, perhaps we can become less fearful of it. Of course, that doesn’t take away the feeling of missing the people we love.... just like you, I am Christian and one day we will all find out what's next :)

Arek's avatar

You are spot on. Beautifully written🙏

C Simone's avatar

I've very much appreciated our conversations around these topics too! Such a wonderful piece you both have done here. Hope you're both proud of yourselves!

I'm getting there, day by day, thank you for checking in 💜

C Simone's avatar

Thank you both for being so open and writing such a clear, powerful and soulful post.

It really moved me in a way I can't explain. It resonates so much as Andrea knows I've had past life readings and have done research and still do on life between lives, NDEs and I have had what I believe was a visitation from a family member who passed on, she also visited 2 other family members within the same week.

Death is most definitely not the end, you're both right - it transforms how we see it yet grief as you pointed out still remains because of that separation and the memories you built.

I hope this reaches an abundance of people especially those with an open mind, curious mind or those who are suffering with grief as it is truly one of the hardest things to go through in this human experience.

Thank you both again 💜

Wisdom Library's avatar

Hi C thank you for reading our post. I appreciate your time to share your thoughts. And it’s impressive you have done so much research (we have that in common) and you also expecting a visiting. I guess your experience could give further hope to so many people who struggle with loss. ❤️ thanks for hating your thoughts 🙏

C Simone's avatar

I resonated so much with your post. I appreciate the time and effort it must've taken for you both. Well done!✨️

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

C, thank you. I’ve really loved our conversations around these kinds of topics, and I appreciate you taking the time to read the piece and share your thoughts here.

And you said something so true... even when we believe the soul continues, the grief of missing someone here is still very real. Love doesn’t make that part disappear.

I really hope you’re feeling better. I’ve been thinking about you. Thank you again for such a thoughtful comment. 💜

Hina Gondal's avatar

Such a brilliance 🫶

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you, Hina.

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thank you so much.

Neutral Yoga Daphne's avatar

This is a beautiful article. It reminds me of the research by psychiatrist Dr. Bruce Greyson in his book "After". He documents cases that logic simply can't explain.

Reading his work gave me hope—some feeling that when we decease, that there is a transition to 'something more' you both described so movingly.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you so much. And thank you for the book suggestion, I'm adding it to my reading list now.

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thanks reading and sharing the book. I will add it to my reading list.

Notes from the Hill's avatar

wow this gave me so much to think about. thank you for opening my mind to this. I've been coming to some of the same conclusions and this makes me want to research more. I'll probably reread this several times! I'd be interested to get your thoughts on this piece i wrote last year if you have a chance!

https://katekara.substack.com/p/i-chose-this-life?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=179nz2

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts. I will read your post this afternoon. :) I'd like to suggest a few more books, a bit different than what Alexandra suggested...

Journey of Souls by Michael Newton (his series, actually) and Robert Schwartz series, starting with Your Soul's Plan. Thank you again for reading!

Notes from the Hill's avatar

I really appreciate it!! really loved this piece. 💜♥️💙

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I'm so glad to hear that. 💜😊

Wisdom Library's avatar

Hi, thank you for reading our post. I very happy that we opened your mind and made you curious :) happy to answer any question if something comes as you re-read it.

If you want to research more I would suggest to start with:

IONS - Institute of Noetic Science. A lot of their articles are free

Matt Fraser - visit his blog

Books:

We never die - Matt Fraser

The secret of secrets - Dan Brown

I will read your post and get back to you.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I just got We never die. I will be reading that one next. :)

Wisdom Library's avatar

He is amazing... search author in Google and YouTube. He also has a blog about after death.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you, I will check it out. :)

Ben Reynolds's avatar

I had to sit with this one after reading it. I'm not sure what my beliefs are, but you gave me a lot to think about. Great post, both of you.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Ben. As Alexandra said, that was the whole point: to give people perhaps a new way to look at death and dying.

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thank you Ben. I am very happy you enjoyed it. And I am gland it made you reflect… that’s the whole point ;) to expand our thinking.

Judy Iannaccone's avatar

Kudos to both of you for bringing such an open-hearted exploration of death, consciousness, and what may continue beyond the body into this space. These are conversations our culture often avoids, yet they are among the most meaningful ones we can have.

As a death doula, I’ve spent time at many bedsides, and one thing I’ve come to appreciate is how deeply the body is wired to survive. There are moments when it can almost feel as if the body is holding on while something deeper — what many of us might call the soul — is already beginning to loosen its grip.

Your reflections on the possibility that consciousness continues resonate with what I have come to sense through this work. I often think of dying not as disappearing, but as stepping into another room — one we cannot yet see, but that love still connects us to. The essence of the person — the love, the presence, the imprint they leave — does not feel gone.

And yes, the idea of soul journeys or soul agreements can help us hold some of life’s hardest questions with a little more compassion — especially when someone leaves this world far too young.

These are themes I find myself returning to often in my own writing about the thresholds between living and dying.

Thank you, Alexandra and Andrea, for opening such a thoughtful and spacious conversation. Pieces like this invite us to sit with mystery rather than rush to close it.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Judy, thank you so much for this thoughtful comment. Your experience as a death doula adds such depth to this conversation. I was moved by the way you described the body holding on while something deeper begins to loosen its grip.

The idea of stepping into another room is such a beautiful way of describing that threshold. I’m grateful you shared your perspective here.

Wisdom Library's avatar

Thank you Judy.

It’s interesting how your experience made you form the same conclusion that souls continue after the body stops.

And yes our society avoids these conversations but I personally believe these are very important. As we know death is what makes life precious. Learning about it can open many horizons.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

I completely agree. These conversations matter so much, especially when it comes to healing. The more openly we can speak about death, love, and what may continue beyond it, the more space we create for compassion and understanding.

Sabrina Taylor's avatar

This was really beautiful. Thank you for giving me so much to sit with. I’ve always gotten a lot out of Andrea’s writing, and I’m so glad to be introduced to Alexandra here too I’m looking forward to exploring more of her work.

Wisdom Library's avatar

Hi Sabrina, thank you for reading. I am happy you liked our article. And above all, I am glad it makes you reflect on life & death… Andrea and I had great time writing it.

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Hi Sabrina, thank you for reading. I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it and it gave you something to ponder. 😊 @Alexandra Pasareanu is a beautiful writer with a lot of insight, I think you will enjoy her work.

Wisdom Library's avatar

❤️ love you. I couldn’t be happier for collaborating with you

Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

It was an absolute joy 😊❤️

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Thank you for your time to read it.

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Thank you for reading. 🤍

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Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

Yes! Exactly! That's what I always say, too. :)

Sue Rumack Life Debunked's avatar

I learned at a very early age that we mere humans exist between parallel worlds; this earthly world and our origin dimension. Mom fought to return to talk to me, 12 hours after she died! In a dream I saw the struggle, and her victory. She returned every night for 6 more nights with instructions for the care of our family! I was 19, she was 50. She and I talk all the time. I’m 76 now, and she’s only recently yielding her conversations to my exhusband, who has a lot to say.

Mom and my Ex are continuing presences in our lives. They’ve both shared speak in my thoughts. I don’t see them but do find physical evidence that they are here, very present.

They’ve both shared so much about our origin world. According to them, no heaven, no hell. People with lives, communities, chosen work. Contribution to their world and ours.

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Sue, thank you so much for sharing this. I can feel how real and lived-in your experiences are.

What you described is actually very similar to what I’ve been shown and come to understand as well. I’ve had many visitation dreams, primarily from my husband, but from other loved ones too, and like you, I don’t necessarily see them in waking life, but I feel them, recognize their presence, and notice the signs they leave. I talk with them all the time now.

That sense of continued connection… and that life doesn’t just end but shifts into something still active, still meaningful, is what I've come to understand as well. I also have to say, I’ve personally never believed in hell, and my own experiences with loved ones have only ever reinforced that too.

I’ve written quite a bit about this, especially around signs and ongoing connection in my paid section, and I also shared my experience with a between-lives regression, which touched on some of these same ideas about where we come from and what continues after.

If you’d ever like to read those, I’d be more than happy to comp you a 6-month subscription, just let me know 😊

Really appreciate you opening up like this here. 💛

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I’m not sure why, but I’ve always struggled to listen to podcasts and things like that. I am, however, a voracious reader! I’ve read quite a bit about NDEs, past lives, and related topics.

This Sunday I’m actually participating in a Between Lives Regression with Robert Schwartz, the author of Your Soul’s Plan and Your Soul’s Gift. I’m very curious to see what unfolds. Have you heard of him?

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Andrea Thorfinson's avatar

You should look into him. I love his books. He actually endorsed my book, which was incredibly cool!

I’ve had a couple of past-life regressions myself. The first didn’t work because I didn’t yet know I have aphantasia (the inability to visualize). The second one did work because the practitioner understood how my mind works and adjusted the process. I can still receive messages or “downloads”—more like knowings—but I don’t have any inner vision or hearing.

She was also trained through the Michael Newton Foundation, which I think helped. Have you read Michael Newton? Journey of Souls, etc.? He’s another great one.

Robert Schwartz specializes in between-lives regressions that explore our soul’s plan, which is what I’ll be doing on Sunday.

And thank you for telling me about Anthony Chene and Coming Home. I’ll definitely check them out!

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